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Octopulse
03-07-2003, 10:00 AM
I dont believe in the biblical God, as i said before my belief in a supreme being is more of a personal creation, anyway that does not mean that I dont think that the notion of a biblical God doesnt have a postive purpose, because it certainly does for many millions of people, and I respect thier beliefs.

Our country was founded on a belief in that supreme being God, In God We Trust is our motto, on all our money, on govt seals, its everywhere. But it looks like we are distancing ourselves more and more from something our founding fathers considered very important. Without a belief system values can wither away, and without a value system a society can wither as well.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11 ). Here is Anne Graham's reply which I thought was insightful and very profound.......


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She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but
for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of
our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is,
I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His
blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?" In light of
recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it
started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found
recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.


Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... the Bible says
thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as
yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they
misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might
damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an
expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our
children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty
member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we
don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued. There's
a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking,
humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we said OK.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and
they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and
they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they
want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell
their parents they got them at school. And we said OK.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in
private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't
matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long
as I have a job and the economy is good.

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and
call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female
body. And we said OK. And then someone else took that appreciation a step
further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by
making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to
free speech.

Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that
promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that
encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said
it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it
seriously anyway, so go right ahead.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they
don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill
strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out.
I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the
world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but
question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail
and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages
regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through
cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and
work place.

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itizuki
03-07-2003, 10:44 AM
This is right on Octo! One thing I have always felt was a bit ironic is the people who will say " I pray you are ok" or "thank God you are ok" and then turn around and say they don't believe in the bible and so on... many numbers of people will ask for help from someone they don't have any faith in.

Octopulse
03-07-2003, 12:03 PM
hello Kat,

to whatever God or religion someone might subscribe to it seems that a belief in at least something, something to be held accountable to, something that kinda filters out some of mans selfish interests is essential for continuing order. Alot of great thinkers through the ages have felt very strongly about that basic principle and it was very much on the minds of the makers of our constitution. They knew from studying the Greeks that "every republic fails" without religion and morality to support it.

anyway when i saw the e-mail earlier i said "right on" as well, this seemed like a good place for it