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    Octo...

    Octo...

    Congrats on passing your test and the resulting job!
    I also would like to add closing thoughts. This thread (and those who smoke pot) has been beat to a pulp, and although I disagree with some of the comments posted, I do respect and understand that we all have some vices and "skeletons". Personally, I consider pot a neutral "evil" if you will. You are right, I am one of those who can smoke it and still maintain normal relations and life reactions. I know some people who smoke it and go off to never-never land, but I was never one of those. No hangovers, etc.

    To me, it's kinda like those who smoke fine cigars. You develop and come to cherish the flavor, the fixation of holding something in your fingers. I don't use it to gain stature or to make fake friends. The friendships I've made and continue to hold dear were made via my personality and heartfelt caring for others. Most of my "rock and roll" and Fixxture friends don't even smoke pot, yet they also hold our friendship near and dear. Some people use different methods to meet, befriend, and "get closer" to others. I choose to use my East Coast upbringing and the golden rules my mother imparted to me. It has worked well so far.... nothing fake, Pot is not a currency used to buy friendships as far as I'm concerned. You like me for me or you don't. Pot can be had from almost anyone. I like to think my personality is genuine. My real friends do, anyway.

    I would love to see the wrath aimed at the evils and dangers of excessive alcohol instead. It's much more dangerous, is IS a social currency (just cozey up to any bar and you'll make new "friends" instantly), in my opinion, not much socializing can happen when you are shitfaced drunk, so it becomes a physical and phony friendship.

    Again, stop beating a dead horse. Someday pot will be legal, taxed, and will be on the same level as alcohol. Then I'd love to see the comments posted. That's my opinion, offered genuinely. Take it as you will......

    Much Love and Respect To All,

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    WOW !

    WOW!

    I just noticed that 1805 views are attributed to this " Diss Pot" thread !
    I only hope that all those who viewed also saw my "contrary" opinions in defense of pot.

    POT didn't kill Diana, ALCOHOL did ! Show me ONE person who died as a result of smoking pot !!

    POT didn't create the friendships I've made, my personality did. I have many more friends who DON'T smoke pot than does. I choose to believe that people like me because I help them, care for them, go above and beyond, and give of myself (not my pot) friendship-wise. Alot of Fixxtures are my friends because I got them backstage, escorted them and got permission to go on "the bus", introduced them to the bands, drove thousands of miles to carry merch and help bands, and countless other things that have nothing to do with pot. If anyone chooses to think that pot created and maintains my friendships, then they are not a true friend at all. They don't know the real me.

    Sorry for the spurious drivel, this just hits a nerve with me.

    Much Love and Peace !

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    pot

    Don't really know what to say about this other than It should be legalized.....PLEASE go after the crackheads,,,,,
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    Re: WOW !

    Originally posted by Doctor Roger
    WOW!

    I just noticed that 1805 views are attributed to this " Diss Pot" thread !
    I only hope that all those who viewed also saw my "contrary" opinions in defense of pot.

    POT didn't kill Diana, ALCOHOL did ! Show me ONE person who died as a result of smoking pot !!

    POT didn't create the friendships I've made, my personality did. I have many more friends who DON'T smoke pot than does. I choose to believe that people like me because I help them, care for them, go above and beyond, and give of myself (not my pot) friendship-wise. Alot of Fixxtures are my friends because I got them backstage, escorted them and got permission to go on "the bus", introduced them to the bands, drove thousands of miles to carry merch and help bands, and countless other things that have nothing to do with pot. If anyone chooses to think that pot created and maintains my friendships, then they are not a true friend at all. They don't know the real me.

    Sorry for the spurious drivel, this just hits a nerve with me.
    with all due respect Dr... advocacy people, wether it be gay rights, womens rights, midgets rights, pot-smokers rights, whatever rights, sometimes need to take a pause, and remember while pursuing their rights that other people also have rights to opinions, and/or personal commentary. I had a feeling this thread was starting to bug you just a bit, it just seems funny to me that people so passionate about their right to expression over a pro/con stance over something can be so eager that anything percieved as contridicary to it should not be seen by others, to have it go away, be removed, unsaid, unstated, basically ripped off the wall and wadded up forever, why would 1805 views bug you?

    ok, for the record before we any further..

    this is not a "diss pot" thread, it is a thread named "pot" because it is my personal commentary on an addiction which for me happened to be pot, and hence it is called "pot", it could have easily had been called "gambling", or "alcohol", or "crack", or "spending all my money collecting pokeyman cards" if any of those had been my problem, but they werent, it is my own personal commentary on excessive and obsessive use of a substance

    to try to attribute this thread as a "diss pot" thread is not fair, it is not fair because i did not speak in general here about pot, for me this is personal, and anyone who has actually read this thread through can see that is in fact personal

    Im sorry Dr. if this has hit a nerve, but I have nerves as well, and if you are trying to revise my intentions with this thread in order to justify defending an agenda you feel strongly about, it then it becomes ironic to me because you are defending one of your rights by abusing one of mine, and mine is called freedom of speech, and the freedom to preserve the original intentions of expression

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    Wow.

    My opinions about pot are based on personal observation over the course of decades and in various situations with lots of different people, as well as things that were said and done during those times and private comments shared with me by others during those times.

    I find it highly interesting that my comments - again, about general trends I've noticed over my lifetime - have stirred such a specific reaction.
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    Done

    Octo,

    I was merely surprised at how many people viewed the thread, not how many people DISSED it. I personally don't judge people by their views on pot, but it seems like I'm being judged by mine.

    So, this is my last post on this issue, ala beating a dead horse.....

    You have your views that you made public, as did I, and that's it. I've never criticized you for your views, so don't do it to me either. I fully respect your right to your opinions, even if I disagree. It doesn't matter much in the big picture anyway. I am certainly NOT trying to revise your thoughts, words, or intentions, as it is none of my business, and I personally couldn't care less who likes and dislikes pot. When it is associated with my ability to make and maintain friendships, then I feel that I must reply and set the record straight. Funny how some people who have little or no experience with pot can be so opinionated.

    Pot is not for everyone, and doesn't try to be. You do your thing and I'll do mine.

    Thanks for your banter, I enjoyed it even though we disagree. There will always be Two Different Views!

    Dr. Roger

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    fair enough Doctor, all is good then

    i just dont want people to get the impression that this was put up in order to bash people who smoke weed, which would only serve to make me a hypocrite, and its not even really about my opinion, its about my choice to leave something behind, for me its more a story of my experiences with pot than anything else

    and i really wasnt trying to beat a dead horse, i dont throw life jackets in the way of unneeded posts on threads just to keep them afloat, someone asked me to get back on my testing, and i replied back as soon as i passed the test, but i am convinced that i would not have passed if i was still smoking on a daily basis as my short term memory just could not have done it, but again thats just me, someone else may not have had an issue there

    i also dont feel anyone is judging anyone, but im not into re-reading the whole thread so maybe something that was posted escapes me now, i recall alot of opinions and comments that were fairly mixed, which im sure most people would say is a good thing

    anyway my daily chores as far as studying and internet job searches are done now, its time for a cold one, today im drinking saranac pomegranite wheat with a juggling bear on the cover, ive conpensated for not smoking weed anymore by drinking more beer, but just to loosen up and feel good, i dont drink to get drunk anymore, the result of a few spiraled lessons in stupidy and sickness i once learned a long time ago, in a fallacy far far away, i think it was called the 80's or something......
    In germany some people say it's like medicine. It's good against heartattack. If it is a lie - who cares?

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    Uh-Oh.

    Found this earlier today:

    http://reason.tv/video/show/57.html

    He doesn't seem to be joking......
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    Re: Octo...

    I would love to see the wrath aimed at the evils and dangers of excessive alcohol instead. It's much more dangerous, is IS a social currency (just cozey up to any bar and you'll make new "friends" instantly), in my opinion, not much socializing can happen when you are shitfaced drunk, so it becomes a physical and phony friendship.



    Here I have to say I agree whole heartedly.... If you measue the amount of tragedy that is alcohol related vs Pot related you would find that the numbers are huge...

    and I believe that Tommy Shaw put it brillantly when he said " I have dozen of friends and the fun never end, that is as long as I am buying" ( Too Much Time on my Hands) ... so I can see the Dr point about the phony relationships that addiction seems to attract... perception of what is real can be very blurred..and we all have heard the saying "liquid courage".....but it is unfair to say that all who participate have no concept of real relationships...

    I am niether defending or condoning smoking pot.. I believe that there is a level of function that some people can maintain and it is all very personal and that person will have to be the one to judge where their own level of functionality is .... and truly ... everyone has some sort of an addiction whether it is drugs, alcohol, shopping, sex, chocolate, or lacy underwear.. it is all just to what degree or what level this indiviual takes it to .. and also to what point they may say.. "my life is out of control' and I have to take a look at why it is out of control...if they choose recovery for those reasons then all the better for them and how very wonderful to make such a positive change in their lives.....again it is a personal choice and not everyone can be stuffed in the same box or walk the same path......

    I certainly would never judge a person for their own personal reasons or choices... and for the record I do not smoke pot and my drink of choice is water..or a rare glass of Merlot.... ( you can try and figure out my addiction from the list LOL) but I was with someone on and off for 12 years who battled his own demons or what ever you want to call it..and in the end I left for those reasons.... but still, I have found it more compationate to step back ... and realize that it may be better in the end to be kind to everyone.. and look at the person.. and what may behind the behavior before you judge that person for taking a toke or a drink... some of the most brilliant and respected minds in the world indulged in smoking grass...

    This is only my opinion, for what it is worth..... peace out everyone.
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    Re: Re: Octo...

    Originally posted by Jeanne Thelen
    I would love to see the wrath aimed at the evils and dangers of excessive alcohol instead. It's much more dangerous, is IS a social currency (just cozey up to any bar and you'll make new "friends" instantly), in my opinion, not much socializing can happen when you are shitfaced drunk, so it becomes a physical and phony friendship.



    Here I have to say I agree whole heartedly.... If you measue the amount of tragedy that is alcohol related vs Pot related you would find that the numbers are huge...

    and I believe that Tommy Shaw put it brillantly when he said " I have dozen of friends and the fun never end, that is as long as I am buying" ( Too Much Time on my Hands) ... so I can see the Dr point about the phony relationships that addiction seems to attract... perception of what is real can be very blurred..and we all have heard the saying "liquid courage".....but it is unfair to say that all who participate have no concept of real relationships...

    I am niether defending or condoning smoking pot.. I believe that there is a level of function that some people can maintain and it is all very personal and that person will have to be the one to judge where their own level of functionality is .... and truly ... everyone has some sort of an addiction whether it is drugs, alcohol, shopping, sex, chocolate, or lacy underwear.. it is all just to what degree or what level this indiviual takes it to .. and also to what point they may say.. "my life is out of control' and I have to take a look at why it is out of control...if they choose recovery for those reasons then all the better for them and how very wonderful to make such a positive change in their lives.....again it is a personal choice and not everyone can be stuffed in the same box or walk the same path......

    I certainly would never judge a person for their own personal reasons or choices... and for the record I do not smoke pot and my drink of choice is water..or a rare glass of Merlot.... ( you can try and figure out my addiction from the list LOL) but I was with someone on and off for 12 years who battled his own demons or what ever you want to call it..and in the end I left for those reasons.... but still, I have found it more compationate to step back ... and realize that it may be better in the end to be kind to everyone.. and look at the person.. and what may behind the behavior before you judge that person for taking a toke or a drink... some of the most brilliant and respected minds in the world indulged in smoking grass...

    This is only my opinion, for what it is worth..... peace out everyone.

    I would like to add.....Paul McCartney......smokes pot.....and recieved a Knighthood from the Queen....as Did Sir Elton John. Can't be that bad??can it? Pot makes really good music....thats a fact!!
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    This is a subject that's had a hold on me for some time, and my opinions are as follows:

    - For medicinal use, it can be beneficial. It has less harmful side effects than most other drugs (prescription or otherwise) and can actually give an appetite, whereas other substances can make it impossible to eat.

    - I DO NOT think that it's a cure-all. With what I've seen from people I know, it seems like everyone and his cousin smokes for some "medicinal" reason, be it depression, schizophrenia, or even chronic headaches. For something severe/terminal like cancer, it's a reasonable painkiller. For a twentysomething college dropout who wants to convince people that there's something so wrong with a Tylenol that they have to smoke to cure a migrane, it's not.

    - I've known someone close to me who smoked because it "inspired" them or gave them "focus," and honestly, became a much nicer person when high. If not for the fact that he couldn't get a job because of his constant need to smoke (though "not addicted") and ended up moving his family in with his parents, I'd say it had a positive affect on him.

    I can't judge a person for smoking pot (though sometimes I do - I'm human). All I can say is that I've never used it myself and never will.

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    Originally posted by Inkblot
    This is a subject that's had a hold on me for some time, and my opinions are as follows:

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    - I've known someone close to me who smoked because it "inspired" them or gave them "focus," and honestly, became a much nicer person when high. If not for the fact that he couldn't get a job because of his constant need to smoke (though "not addicted") and ended up moving his family in with his parents, I'd say it had a positive affect on him.

    I can't judge a person for smoking pot (though sometimes I do - I'm human). All I can say is that I've never used it myself and never will.

    I have to say Inkblot... That I agree with the above situation... I too was with someone that smoked for the "inspiration" and " focus" and " creative " reasons and trust me... was a much nicer person when he was smoking... but I have changed my mind about a few things where pot is concerned based on my recent experiences of loving someone with an addiction... (AGAIN) and Yes... I am working on myself to examine how and why I end up with in these situations...

    I do not think that Pot is the root of all evil... I just have to say that what I have experienced is a lack of motivation to get things done.. and indecision on their part... it is always 5 steps forward and 10 steps back... and that is hard( and exhausting) to constantly be juggeling and adjusting your moods and needs to fit theirs ... especially in times of "with draw".. when the obsession to get the next fix is ruling above everything else... and rationality is right out the door.....Your needs tend to get pushed aside to handle what ever drama is in their lives at the moment...and there is the constant wondering if they really mean what they say and are going to do what they say...

    I can understand the need to smoke "recreationally" as I view it as no different from drinking socially... what gets in the way of life .. and reality ....is the need to be constantly high to do "anything" to get through your day and handle your stresses...and the inablity to face your own demons and why you would choose this type of lifestyle ... and when and why you would rather be high.. or choose your addiction over the ones that love you.. from family and friends... you may need to step back and take a look at your life... I think it was Dr R that mentioned the " fair weather " quality of friendships that are often found in the " drug world" ....and the "everybody uses everybody" attitude... let alone the health risks that follow constant drug abuse... and sometimes you just have to ask... IS this fun anymore?? Is this really worth it anymore... Look what I have lost and may loose???? And it may be time to grow up and realize that you can not continue to do this to your mind and body and live to function to a ripe old age if you are going to indulge in this kind of behavior everyday for the rest of your life... you are basically slowly killing yourself and being selfish and extremely self centered to the ones that love you and want you around to enjoy the rest of their lives as well as your own...

    But .. I am also compassionate enough to know that everyone is fighting their own battles and it is necessary to be kinder than usual... and to step back and say.. "what the hell is so wrong that you would rather escape the life that God gave you and all it's beauty and just disapear into a puff of smoke"(or whatever) ... I am also not going to judge people who may be fighting manic depression,schizophernia, cancer or other health issues that pot may bring some relief....but I am also a strong believer in therapy and getting down to the real issues behind the need to escape and choosing a healthy lifestyle... Life is too short and we are only here 1 time in this form...it is a blessing .. a gift......none of are perfect and we all have our own issues and insecurities ... But I believe that people generally do care about each other.. and there is friendship, warmth,shelter, help and love out there if you will only ask for it...

    Again... these are just my observations... and opinions... and I may be wrong.. it would not be the first time... but after loving two men.. and one in particular with my whole heart and soul... that would rather continue in this crazy world of their choice... I think that I do have some reasonable rights to my observations... and to also realize that as much as I loved them... I could not love either of them enough into sobriety..no matter how much I wanted to try..... that addiction will always be stronger then the both of us... and that recovery is a personal choice and all I can do is love them with out judgement.... and look at the behaviors... not the person.....because deep down ... they are both very good men... with loving hearts.....and despite my pain now... I was lucky to love them and learn the things that I learned from them... I wish them both peace of mind....and hopefully recovery to embrace the wonder and beauty that life and love has offered them....
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    Ya know, I didn't even know this thread was here and I've been here for a bit anyways.

    Crazy....I used to smoke alot of pot back in the day. I've been done with it WAY before my daughter was born....like 5 years before. There are days I would love to be out on the lake in a row boat....sunglasses & hat, fishing pole, a bag lunch, and nice big fatty that I could casually hit whilst fishing for pan-fish & relaxing....maybe when I retire.

    Other than that I've got a job that offers things that I couldn't get if I was working @ BK, McDonalds, or some local grocery store and I have a daughter that means the WORLD to me so I am fortunate in those respects. I have cut ties with friends who weren't interested in changing their lifestyle even though I was. I am not mad at them, I miss them too. I have things in my life that I wanted and I am not sad or ashamed that I chose the path I did to get to them. Everyone has their own path to find. And it is no-one else's choice to make for someone else.

    Case in point, my little brother died last year on the day before Easter. He lived hard, liked the drugs alot, and the party. This was the second time his heart gave out....he didn't come home from this one. I love him & I miss him but he had to live his life...I couldn't stop him, only he could do that...but I loved him through it all. He has a son who looks alot like him. I see Ethan quite a bit...this helps me keep my brother close to me always.


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    Ya know, I didn't even know this thread was here and I've been here for a bit anyways.

    Crazy....I used to smoke alot of pot back in the day. I've been done with it WAY before my daughter was born....like 5 years before. There are days I would love to be out on the lake in a row boat....sunglasses & hat, fishing pole, a bag lunch, and nice big fatty that I could casually hit whilst fishing for pan-fish & relaxing....maybe when I retire.

    Other than that I've got a job that offers things that I couldn't get if I was working @ BK, McDonalds, or some local grocery store and I have a daughter that means the WORLD to me so I am fortunate in those respects. I have cut ties with friends who weren't interested in changing their lifestyle even though I was. I am not mad at them, I miss them too. I have things in my life that I wanted and I am not sad or ashamed that I chose the path I did to get to them. Everyone has their own path to find. And it is no-one else's choice to make for someone else.

    Case in point, my little brother died last year on the day before Easter. He lived hard, liked the drugs alot, and the party. This was the second time his heart gave out....he didn't come home from this one. I love him & I miss him but he had to live his life...I couldn't stop him, only he could do that...but I loved him through it all. He has a son who looks alot like him. I see Ethan quite a bit...this helps me keep my brother close to me always.


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    Jetrell69, Im sorry to hear about your brother, its very sad when people are unable to help the ones they love in this respect, the important thing is to know you tried. I tried with my best friend who was an alcoholic, he was a fixxture and his favorite song was "Dont Be Scared", he drank himself into a head-on collision on St. Patricks day 1989, I could cry at this desk right now over him still, but, my concience is clear, I know i tried, and so does he.

    all...

    I quit smoking the shit for almost a full year, about 3 months ago I started smoking again, basically Ive been a fool who thinks I can handle my demon, and after 31 years of daily smoking its not easy, I made improvements to my health, and my head, but now Im right back to where I was spring last year

    - once again, I wake up yearning for the shit
    - once again, I lie to my wife about the money i spend to get it
    - once again, i cant remember what I was trying to do not even 2 minutes ago
    - once again, I cant walk up a flight of stairs without being winded and out of breath
    - once again, if i quit smoking for even a day, I have no appetite at all, I literally have to force myself to eat
    - once again, Im not dreaming at night

    once again.... I say.... once again..................... tada

    <crickets>

    the dreaming thing is puzzling, maybe my 'dream cells' dont work well when coated with resin or something... who knows

    anyway, Ill argue this point until the cows come home with any experts out there, ive lived the experience so here it is...

    anyone who believes that inhaling pot on a daily basis for extended periods of time does no damage to your body and/or mind is either....

    - misinformed
    - addicted themselves and therefore deluded
    - a liar
    - a propagandist blinded by swing


    Lately ive been thinking to myself how wonderful it would be if certain people close to me said this....

    "Brad, what the fuck is your problem?, you are killing yourself, you cant even walk down the street without looking like you just ran a marathon, youre gonna die an an early death, youre losing years, precious time asshole and I think you really need this.....

    [SLAP]

    <ouch>

    ... if you cant consider yourself then at least consider us.... we love you..... youre gonna die from smoking that shit, you know it and we know it, what kind of asshole are you anyway?"

    If the precious ones did that I would cry tears of joy, maybe even right on the spot... but more likely afterwards....... but even at that I know only I can get a grip on this problem, so with I guess with that I ask you to please consider slapping a loved one today if they need it, thank you
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